Netherlands online get-together
- Start
- 2021-05-25 20:00 CEST
- End
- 22:00 ?
- Location
- Description
Online get-together of Netherlands
Attendance
- Nico
- André
- Geert-Jan
- Sam
Discussion points / Agenda + minutes
Agenda + Minutes
Contribute to the agenda in advance or during the meeting on the dedicated etherpad: https://pads.domainepublic.net/p/get-together-2022-05-25
- Past activities
- Presentation at Public Spaces
- Lancering manifest
- Presentation at LLW about source code requests in Netherlands
- Fani shared Nico's blogpost on digital identity and it resonated well, going by the comments:
- Ongoing activities
- Coalition Fair Digital Education (Coalitie Eerlijk Digitaal Onderwijs)
- Latest news: Privacy First now supports it too
Launch at Public Spaces conference the 18th of May, signed by FSFE https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220520-01.html
- Next steps
- Organization
Website & logo
- Funding
- Continuous funding (via schools or via service providers)
- Need for a new initiative because existing organizations like Sivon are more about procurement to obtain discounts or friendlier conditions.
- Magister example: 19 euro per pupil per year, with profit margin of 60%.
Change the picture of the article: https://unsplash.com/photos/6MePtA9EVDA op scherm zetten en https://unsplash.com/photos/CbZC2KVnK8s als backup
Maybe promote to all hackerspaces https://lists.hack42.nl/postorius/lists/general.hackerspaces.nl/
Group chat: #FreedomInternet-Onderwijs:matrix.org
- Belgium router freedom
- Sam/Nico: reply from Neutrinet, they mainly are technical experts, not so much knowledgeable about politics and policy.
- Nico: In contact with Consumentenbond, could be a link for Test Aankoop.
- Test Aankoop: seem hard to reach
Send out the survey to Belgian technical community https://survey.fsfe.org/index.php/628449
- About reasoning for router freedom
- Belgium: back in the day Test Aankoop critiqued energy usages of the Proximus router
Belgium hackerspaces list https://discuss.hackerspaces.be/listinfo/42
Ecodesign letter https://fsfe.org/activities/upcyclingandroid/openletter.nl.html
- Great input via the mailinglist on organizations to contact. Have to send out emails and keep track of progress.
- Milieudefensie has forwarded the email internally.
- Maybe ask Milieu Centraal to highlight importance of choice of software, because they might not be willing to take a stand.
- Gov Fed Up!
- Technical next steps to get a server up and running?
- Do we want to make it open to EU collaboration from the beginning?
- Course of action (also discussed last meeting)
- Get a list of RSS feeds
- Get a server + domain ( + funding)
- Come up with a campaign strategy
- Setting it up
- Sam is interested to try it out technically
- Some federated Mastodon servers we know of:
- Issues of privacy leak of server? The article might have been about Matrix, as the microblogs on Mastodon are intended to be public, right?
- Upcycling Android NLLGG workshop
- Perhaps online session in advance, to prepare, as an option, to prevent a cold start
- Chat channels for later if people want to continue afterwards
- Explicit mention the older devices so there are low expectations on how it will work.
- Sam's device: Huawei P8 Lite ALE-L21
- Committee Digital Affairs
Current calendar to get some outlook: https://wiki.fsfe.org/LocalGroups/BNL/NL/Calendar
Debate last week got postponed: https://www.tweedekamer.nl/debat_en_vergadering/plenaire_vergaderingen/details/activiteit?id=2022A01249
All documents of the committee: https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken?qry=%2A&fld_tk_categorie=kamerstukken&srt=date%3Adesc%3Adate&fld_prl_voortouwcommissie=vaste+commissie+voor+digitale+zaken&clusterName=Tweedekamer.nl
Most recent procedure meeting report: https://www.tweedekamer.nl/downloads/document?id=e63f7308-2513-456a-b258-8f15805069c4&title=Besluitenlijst%20procedurevergadering%20commissie%20voor%20Digitale%20Zaken%20d.d.%2018%20mei%202022.pdf
- Digid authentication
- Perhaps request source code of DigiD?
Request Logius (organisation behind DigiD) which data is being shared? It contains trackers of Google and Microsoft https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/nl.rijksoverheid.digid.pub/latest/
- Issues
- Banking apps
- Digid apps
- Microsoft authenticator push message scheme (alternative methods exist like TOTP)
- Example of a large Dutch telco, that TOTP is not always secure enough. Risk of TOTP is duplication of keys.
- Contact journalists?
Podcast https://dasprive.be/
Bad example, no critique about Itsme https://dasprive.be/privacy/dasprive-discours-itsme/
- Contact politicians about trackers
- Renske Leijten
Digid questions https://www.security.nl/posting/753826#posting753842 also about lock-in https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken/kamervragen/detail?id=2022Z09543&did=2022D19400
- Renske Leijten
Ask Logius about trackers https://www.logius.nl/
- Geert-Jan has complained by Triodos bank about trackers, they were removed for 1 release but are back again.
- 2 tracks: Wob (Logius side) and AVG (consumer side)
- Open standard documents parliament
- Nico started requesting .pdf versions when encountering nog-open-standard documents.
- Geert-Jan: no issues with compatibility of .odt files with Microsoft Office nowadays
- Influence of Huawei
https://www.ftm.nl/artikelen/semenwerken-met-gewone-chinese-universiteiten-eveneens-riskant
Plenty of Huawei products in a recently opened solar park https://www.zonneparkdegrift.nl/
- Coalition Fair Digital Education (Coalitie Eerlijk Digitaal Onderwijs)
Not discussed, perhaps next meeting
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