Netherlands online get-together

Start

2024-07-17 20:00 CEST

End

22:00 CEST

Location

On Netherlands room on FSFE conference server

Description

Online get-together of Netherlands

NL: Onze online localgroup bijeenkomst. Deze is open voor iedereen en we schakelen naar het Engels als niet iedereen Nederlands begrijpt.
EN: Our online localgroup meeting. It is open for everybody, and we'll switch to English if not everybody understands Dutch.

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Get-together 17 July 2024

Attendance

• André
• Nico
• Sam
• Rijk

Agenda + minutes

• Recent events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html

  • 29 June 2024 Linux Presentation Day http://www.linux-presentation-day.nl/ (from an international perspective http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/ )

    • Let's contact to hear how it went.

  • 1 July 2024 FSF Workshop: Free software & legislation: How we win

    • Event page: https://www.fsf.org/events/workshop-free-software-legislation-how-we-win

    • Topic suggestions: DRM, copyleft, government, patents.
    • Hard to initiate a topic, so seize the opportunity in new policy being drafted.
    • A follow-up meeting was proposed, with more time for hands-on.

    • Social media posts: https://hostux.social/@fsf/112712424684230187 and https://hostux.social/@fsf/112712246173635940

    • "political will is more important than wording of law".
    • Europe is generally more proactive in regulation compared to the US.

  • 8 July 2024 Multi-stakeholder meeting Digital Sovereignty https://www.clingendael.org/event/digitale-soevereiniteit-zin-onzin

    • Nico represented FSFE in this meeting.
    • Lot of consensus, but hard to define concrete next steps.
    • Hyperscalers/big-tech have a strategic advantage through the information they get from offering services.
    • Once knowledgeable staff is lost, there is no reasonable way to get it back.
    • NL government required to define an exit strategy. Step by step this exit strategy becomes more costly and less feasible. In this way these exit strategies are fictitious.
    • Proudly mentioned FSFE does it operations with Free Software.

• Upcoming events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html

  • 21 September NLLGG https://nllgg.nl/bijeenkomst/20240921

• FSFE updates https://fsfe.org/news/news.nl.html

  • DMA https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240627-01.html

    • Can become a precedent for other issues by other companies.

  • Router Freedom https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240709-01.html

    • Now Router Freedom still needs to be put into practice.
• Banking apps
  • André and Nico presented the progress in the Netherlands.

• News from Belgium with a similar principle of promoting/focing apps: Testaankoop & Unia are considering to offer a court-case to NMBS (trains) because NMBS offers some tickets cheaper in the app than in the ticket machine.

  • https://www.unia.be/nl/artikels/testaankoop-en-unia-tegen-discriminerende-ticketprijzen-nmbs

  • Argument that people without smartphones are discriminated against.
  • Important court case, because now there is still the opportunity to get guarantees, before the people without smartphones are too small of a minority.
  • Lack of solidarity by putting one group at an advantage.
  • November '22 we were in contact with Test Aankoop for Router Freedom.
  • Unia: discrimination by cost of smartphone, elderly people and people with disabilities. So it doesn't include people making a deliberate choice.
    • UK court case about philosophical belief

      • https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2020/01/04/ethical-veganism-is-a-protected-belief-rules-employment-tribunal/

      • https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50969168

  • Other case: getting a discount with a loyalty card in supermarket, like Lidl in the Netherlands. App also does geolocation.
• Privacy in public development?
  • Git logs and chat logs. Being clear about copyright would require some publicity. Perhaps a pseudonym might help.

  • Persona: example Asahi Lina https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Asahi_Lina also doing commits using this pseudonym https://github.com/slp/krun/commit/d6e7e17e5bbccdfd1021cd552b92a5c1774e044e

• City pass to support certain groups of less wealthy.
  • How to ensure privacy and avoid stigmatising people using the card.
• Repaircafé initiative. Relevant for Upcycling Android campaign.
  • Migration difficult, so mostly the use-case to give another life to an older device no longer in use.
  • Can alternative OS's use synced data (contacts, photos) from Google?
  • For synching Murena e/OS provides a minimal data syncing.
  • In the repaircafé in Oosterbeek the IT-person was becoming less relevant as less laptops were coming in.

• Municipality of Almere has its first digital yearly report https://almere.notubiz.nl/document/14399296/1/139+-+Jaarverslag+Digitalisering+2023+%26+Digitaliseringsstrategie

  • Migration to cloud is framed as a positive because it opens

  • Dasprive podcast https://dasprive.be/ migration to Microsoft cloud is illegal.

    • Detailed analysis by EDPS https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/press-releases/2024/european-commissions-use-microsoft-365-infringes-data-protection-law-eu-institutions-and-bodies_en

      • European Commission sued EDPS https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/112722381771336529

  • Will be discussed in a couple of meetings. Great opportunity for members of parliament to be introduced in the matter.

• Article in iBestuur on dependence on Google in education https://ibestuur.nl/artikel/het-onderwijs-loopt-nog-steeds-aan-de-leiband-van-google/

• EU Client Side Scanning.

• Podcast by Willem Schinkel on why not having a smartphone https://www.nporadio1.nl/uitzendingen/nooit-meer-slapen/9bd0d12f-3276-4e31-a849-acb0438edf6f/2024-07-10-nooit-meer-slapen written in book Aphonismen. Article form here: https://www.nporadio1.nl/nieuws/cultuur-media/568fd9c7-8571-4a58-bc6c-02123e36ec4f/waarom-zijn-we-bang-om-offline-te-gaan-wetenschapper-willem-schinkel-over-onze-obsessie-met-technologie

  • Social aspects, like greeting each other in the public space.

  • Different podcast: https://www.groene.nl/podcasts/van-alles-de-waarde/afleveringen/willem-schinkel

Other meetings on the wiki overview page: Events/Netherlands

Category/FellowshipEvents Category/Netherlands