Netherlands online get-together

Start

2024-10-23 20:00 CEST

End

22:00 CET

Location

On Netherlands room on FSFE conference server

Description

Online get-together of Netherlands

NL: Onze online localgroup bijeenkomst. Deze is open voor iedereen en we schakelen naar het Engels als niet iedereen Nederlands begrijpt.
EN: Our online localgroup meeting. It is open for everybody, and we'll switch to English if not everybody understands Dutch.

Create a Markdown document on the Nextcloud server and share it here for similar functionality as an Etherpad.

Contribute to the agenda in advance or during the meeting on the dedicated notes document: https://share.fsfe.org/s/93Qz42NnW7ZS74H

This page will be updated with a link to the collaborative agenda.

Attendance

• Nico
• Sam

Agenda + minutes

• Recent events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html

  • 8 October Premiere of the "Ada & Zangemann" movie on Ada Lovelace Day Online https://fsfe.org/activities/ada-zangemann/movie

  • 21 September NLLGG https://nllgg.nl/bijeenkomst/20240921

• Upcoming events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html

  • 8-9 November SFSCon, Bolzano IT https://www.sfscon.it/

  • 16 November NLLGG

  • 23 November Open Source Event Tilburg https://linuxeducatie.nl/index.php/open-source-event-2024/

• FSFE updates https://fsfe.org/news/news.nl.html

  • Demand EU free software funding https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240911-01.html

• Call for help
  • Funding

  • YH4F 2025 promotion https://fsfe.org/activities/yh4f/

• Ada Zangemann movie
  • Very nice, good explainer
• Ada Zangemann book
  • Working on getting funding and a publisher
  • Get it in every library
    • In NL you can request addition to the library
• AI and LLMs
  • FOSDEM video's from last year
  • AI LLM's with free software license violations. Copyleft and attribution.
    • Copyright is under attack, but there are counter efforts to still uphold copyright despite massive copyright violations.
    • Very much a hype with no substantial benefits.
    • Dependent on big to run and train models.

    • Huge energy usage, investing in nuclear power https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/business/energy-environment/amazon-google-microsoft-nuclear-energy.html

• Teletext
  • Stopped in Belgium, except for subtitles
  • Still active in the Netherlands. Also used via the Teletext app for a simple experience.
• Belgium updates
  • Local elections. Digitalisation is not a topic.
• Dutch news

  • Criticism of Dutch cloud policy, that governments don't keep their word of providing an exit policy https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/de-totale-keuze-voor-microsoft/

  • Governmental use of US cloud is strategic risk https://www.security.nl/posting/862227

    • Plan
      • Before the end of the year changes will be proposed for the governmental (Rijksoverheid) cloud policy.
      • First half of next year the new cloud policy will be determined.
      • Parallel track will be started for the entire government.

    • Interesting, former employer of secretary of state has written in 2022 against a private cloud solution https://ibestuur.nl/artikel/capgemini/kamerbrief-rijksbreed-cloudbeleid-belangrijke-stap-in-cloudadoptie-overheid/

    • Existing cloud policy from 2022 https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken/brieven_regering/detail?id=2022Z15892&did=2022D33299

    • Previous analysis on Microsoft Cloud https://www.privacycompany.eu/nl/blog/nieuwe-dpia-voor-de-rijksoverheid-en-universiteiten-op-microsoft-teams-onedrive-en-sharepoint-online

    • Recent presentations on workspace efforts at Open Source Summit Europe

      • https://osseu2024.sched.com/event/1ej69/german-administration-and-open-source-thomas-fricke-independent

      • https://osseu2024.sched.com/event/1ej5u/building-a-digital-workplace-for-civil-servants-olivier-delteil-dinum

  • European Commission must demonstrate compliance for EDPS before 9th of December https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/press-releases/2024/european-commissions-use-microsoft-365-infringes-data-protection-law-eu-institutions-and-bodies_en

  • What can we do from FSFE?
    • Make a public statement on important principles, like an open letter, related to the cloud strategy.
    • Provide constructive points that could be part of the cloud policy. Like writing a letter to the secretary of state on this.

      • https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230920-02.html

      • https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230906-01.html

      • Principles from Amsterdam https://amsterdam.raadsinformatie.nl/document/13988232/1/Raadsbesluit+2024-039+Instemmen+met+het+gewijzigde+initiatiefvoorstel+%E2%80%98Amsterdam+digitaal+onafhankelijk%E2%80%99

      • Principles from Delft https://delft.raadsinformatie.nl/modules/1/ingekomen_stukken/676066

  • Political divide where cities vote more left than rural areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban%E2%80%93rural_political_divide

  • Privacy friendly age verification https://www.security.nl/posting/861643

    • Technological solution might have secondary effects of identifying more often or services requiring more information than strictly necessary.
    • From the comments: the solution Yivi (previously known as IRMA) facilitates the contactless decline, where a customer is rejected without contact with a person. There is no negotiation or compassion for the person refusing. It is a take it or leave it situation.

Other meetings on the wiki overview page: Events/Netherlands

Category/FellowshipEvents Category/Netherlands