Netherlands online get-together

Start

2024-06-12 20:00 CEST

End

22:00 CEST

Location

On Netherlands room on FSFE conference server

Description

Online get-together of Netherlands

NL: Onze online localgroup bijeenkomst. Deze is open voor iedereen en we schakelen naar het Engels als niet iedereen Nederlands begrijpt.
EN: Our online localgroup meeting. It is open for everybody, and we'll switch to English if not everybody understands Dutch.

Create a Markdown document on the Nextcloud server and share it here for similar functionality as an Etherpad.

Contribute to the agenda in advance or during the meeting on the dedicated notes document: https://share.fsfe.org/s/MitPnYB96iyBbn7

This page will be updated with a link to the collaborative agenda.

Get-together 12 June 2024

Attendance

• André
• Nico
• Sam

Agenda + minutes

• Recent events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html

  • 18 May 2024 NLLGG https://nllgg.nl/bijeenkomst/20240518

  • 21 May 2024 NLUUG voorjaarsbijeenkomst https://nluug.nl/evenementen/nluug/voorjaarsconferentie-2024/

  • 24-25 May 2024 FSFE at esLibre https://eslib.re/2024/

  • 1-2 June 2024 ⭐ T-Dose, Geldrop
    • FSFE info booth
    • Ada Zangemann book reading

  • 6-7 June 2024 PublicSpaces conference Amsterdam

    • https://publicspaces.net/2024/02/01/save-the-date-publicspaces-conferentie-2024/

    • Already some video's are live https://video.publicspaces.net/home

    • Bert Hubert with a presentation on digital autonomy https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/publicspaces-digitale-autonomie-7-juni-2024/ and video https://video.publicspaces.net/w/usooQsSVDfgAzJdNdtz4rC

• Upcoming events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html

  • 29 June 2024 Linux Presentation Day http://www.linux-presentation-day.nl/ (from an international perspective http://www.linux-presentation-day.org/ )

• FSFE updates https://fsfe.org/news/news.nl.html

  • We succeeded with our EU election effort https://fsfe.org/news/2024/news-20240530-01.en.html

• EU Elections

  • Results: https://results.elections.europa.eu/

  • Unfortunate that Patrick Breyer of Pirate Party isn't reelected.
• Belgian elections

  • Campaign points summarized https://wiki.fsfe.org/LocalGroups/Belgium/Elections2024

  • Generally the left parties care more about Free Software.
  • Volt was very explicit in favor of Free Software.
  • Many points about AI, mainly for economic growth.
  • Not clear who has relevant expertise.
  • Multiple parties mention points related to Right to Repair, including software updates.
• Idea for future activism around elecions
  • Just ask parties about their stance on some questions.

  • Without a score: https://ansol.org/noticias/2024-06-04-software-livre-nas-eleicoes-europeias/

  • With a score: https://www.natuurpunt.be/ikkiesnatuur/kieskompas

• Municipality of Almere is ignoring advice to stop presence on Facebook https://www.security.nl/posting/845452/Gemeente+Almere+blijft+Facebook+gebruiken+na+vragen+over+privacyrisico's

• Digital autonomy
  • Governmental migration to Microsoft Cloud
  • Once migrated, it will be nearly impossible to go back, even though this is required.

  • Debate scheduled on migration to Microsoft Cloud. https://mastodon.nl/@barbarakathmann@mstdn.social/112600188632936409

  • Work by Bert Hubert https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/publicspaces-digitale-autonomie-7-juni-2024/

  • Questions for members of parliament?
    • How practical is the exit strategy? Is there a way back to on-premise?
    • How to deal with drift in offering and terms and conditions? Under what conditions will an exit will be considered?
    • Where there is a market opportunity for open source solutions and for Dutch/European companies.
    • Have alternatives been considered? The move to the cloud creates opportunity for alternative web-only solutions which can be free software.
    • Overview of specific requirements? (could be something to request under WOO/FOI)
    • Have civil servants been asked to consent to their privacy being violated? (similar to use-case in European Parliament).

    • (Any questions with regards to 'Amsterdam Digitally Independent' https://amsterdam.raadsinformatie.nl/document/13988232/1/Raadsbesluit+2024-039+Instemmen+met+het+gewijzigde+initiatiefvoorstel+‘Amsterdam+digitaal+onafhankelijk’ --> When Amsterdam moves towards sovereignty, why is the national government moving a different direction?

    • Did they do an economic impact study of outsourcing computing to US-based suppliers?

    • Compliance to initial outlines for public cloud uses? https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/rapporten/2023/01/05/implementatiekader-risicoafweging-cloudgebruik

      • Exit strategy requirements?
      • Informing parliament?
      • Evaluation of cloud providers based on open source etc.?

    • Alternatives? Now Owncloud on AWS (see AWS DPIA https://slmmicrosoftrijk.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/DPIA-AWS-EC2-S3-RDS-P-20230622.pdf ) could also be hosted at a national (cloud) provider.

  • National IT service.

    • Belgium: https://belnet.be/nl/communities-diensten/federale-openbare-diensten/federale-overheidsdiensten-fods-pods

    • Netherlands used to have Pink Roccade, but got disbanded https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getronics

    • Netherlands still has data centers, including ODC-Noord https://www.odc-noord.nl/historie-odc-noord/

• Ada Zangemann book translation
  • proof reading stage
  • already checked for Flemish

• Mailinglist migration to Mailman 3, comes with Javascript https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/

• Small internet (Gemini, Gopher)

  • https://geminiprotocol.net/

Other meetings on the wiki overview page: Events/Netherlands

Category/FellowshipEvents Category/Netherlands