Netherlands online get-together
- Start
- 2021-10-20 20:00 CEST
- End
- 22:00 ?
- Location
- On FSFE conference server (send email to Nico Rikken to get login details)
- Description
Online get-together of Netherlands
Attendance
- Nico
- André
- Rijk
- Justin
- Geert-Jan
- Jan
- Sam
- Kevin
- Daniel
Discussion points / Agenda + minutes
Agenda
- Introductions
- Announcements
FSFE Legal Education Day (LED) Saturday, 6 November 2021, from 12:00 to 17:15 CET
Youth Hacking 4 Freedom 14-18 year old, until 31st of October 2021
- Writing to forming parties about the importance of Free Software
- SMS auth phase-out of DigiD
- Education freedom
- Meeting was held
- Dental software court case (Daniel)
- Delayed until further notice
- Covid QR app
- Usability in practice?
- ...
Minutes
Minutes
- Introductions (15min)
- Dental software court case (Daniel)
- Delayed until further notice, probably December or 2022.
--> Nico: letter of support
- Announcements
FSFE Legal Education Day (LED) Saturday, 6 November 2021, from 12:00 to 17:15 CET
Youth Hacking 4 Freedom 14-18 year old, until 31st of October 2021
Software sustainability: https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20211015-01.en.html
NLUUG bijeenkomst op 11-11: https://nluug.nl/events/nj21/index.html
- Professionals, might require a different approach as other booths.
- FSFE has a more societal ethical approach compared to a business approach.
- Geert-Jan will go, Nico perhaps.
- Writing to forming parties about the importance of Free Software for regeerakkoord
- Writing a paragraph
- Typically these reports are compact, so typically sections of 1 or 2 lines.
- Needs an accompying text and contact person.
- Example: "Nederlandse overheid zet in op digitale soevereiniteit en wil hierbij gebruik maken van vrije software die het brede publiek en het bedrijfsleven ten goede komt".
- Sovereignty speaks to politicians.
- PMPC campagin with website and video is clear and good to communicate
- Bits of Freedom regarding commitment before elections:
Negative evaluation of agreement of last time: https://www.bitsoffreedom.nl/2017/10/26/regeerakkoord-negeert-alomvattendheid-impact-technologie-op-maatschappij/
- Idea of an open letter, so published. Can be published to other relevant MP's as well (commission Digtale Zaken)
Related news article by Rijk on FSFE page: https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210521-01.en.html (on topic of cyber security)
Agreement of last elections: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/publicaties/2017/10/10/regeerakkoord-2017-vertrouwen-in-de-toekomst
- Homework: check what was written by the forming parties on the topic of digital sovereignty and free software.
- Lobbying: requires repeated effort (lange adem)
Related idea: get FSFE invited to the committee "DiZa" Digitale Zaken
- Example of Reinier van Zutphen (ombudsman) asking questions regarding algorithm transparancy etc.
- Participation:
- Setup: Jan, Nico, Justin maandagavond 25 oktober 2021 om 20:00 uur
- Same BBB server as for get-togethers? (zelfde link en credentials)
- Check with FSFE core team: Nico
- Review, Rijk, André
- Setup: Jan, Nico, Justin maandagavond 25 oktober 2021 om 20:00 uur
- Approach:
- Plan an evening to collaborate on it
- Digital wallet in Belgium (Sam)
- Newspaper headline by minister of finance that all citizens should have a digital wallet in 2023, speaking to vision of Apple, Google.
- Also for identification like ID-card.
- Similar case with railway NS: cards in app cheaper than physical cards. And app has additional user downside of trackers.
- Education freedom (Geert-Jan)
- Meeting was held
- Agreement: manifest will be drafted, reasoning from there.
- Breaking lock-in, 2 types of views:
- Big-tech exploit: user data and buying future product users.
- Content lock-in: high prices for content in walled gardens.
- Breaking lock-in, 2 types of views:
- 2 primary schools in Amsterdam starting new, so starting fresh with IT. Aiming for ethical setup.
- Components
- Software
- Hardware (in classroom)
- Educational material (also IT connected)
- Free material already available via Kennisnet
- Administration systems (like Magister)
- Has strong lock-in. Already exploited by raising prices to.
- In the order of 20 euro per student per year.
- Sanema Itlink (owner of Magister)
Free software alternative perhaps? https://projectfedena.org/
- Parties involved currently:
- The Good Cloud
- Freedom Internet
- Procolix
- Waag
- Also in contact with Openedu, offering hosted Moodle.
- Possible relevant info on economic system:
Blogpost of Open Zaak (free software case management software) about building a community by having each municpality select their own (different) IT implementation partner: https://opensource.pleio.nl/groups/view/75fc54b2-f4bf-4e67-a931-1d5b5b4c038a/open-source-community/blog/view/fb71fce6-a4c9-4195-a0bb-ad08b9dabfb7/gemeenten-en-de-markt-bouwen-samen-de-openzaak-community
Also Nico had a good conversation with Arjan Widlak (Kafka Brigade) about software procurement and building an ecosystem of companies. This eventually resulted in the 'playbook publieke software' aanbesteden' which covers a broader range of procurement subjects: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/brochures/2021/01/05/playbook-publieke-software-aanbesteden
- Physical meetings
- How and where to meet.
- Normally we'd meet at NLLGG, but that has not been going on the last couple of times.
- Typically een weekend
- Physical options:
- Nico can try to ask an acquintance
- Diner or drinks
Diner? https://www.dewerfkring.com/
Stairway to Heaven restaurant https://indebuurt.nl/utrecht/nieuws/stairway-mariaplaats-sluit~158021/
Hackerspace https://randomdata.nl/
- Date: friday evening, saturday evening.
- Send out a date planner.
- It will help if more people are there. Expectation 5-10 persons.
- Next step: send the date planner to the mailinglist.
Not discussed, perhaps next meeting
- ...
Etherpad: https://pads.domainepublic.net/p/get-together-2021-10-20
Previous meeting: Events/Netherlands/2021-09-15
Next meeting: Events/Netherlands/2021-11-17
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